But as a PVE-main, none of my grinds have ever been that fast, and they never will. Cool as always but don't forget that Siegfried is also less expensive than the other two tier ten choices in the Research Bureau and it is also different than those two in playstyle, more unique. I clicked General Discussion at a good time, thanks Mouse. I rarely post in these kinds of threads, but I do read them quite often, and want you to know we all appreciate your effort and hard work in making these. AP penetrating hits are a problem, but proper angling can help mitigate it.
I stress it's this deficit of range that really hurts Agir and range remains the key factor that determines secondary-build viability in Random Battles. It's for this reason that Siegfried can get away with upgrading her secondaries rather than focusing on reducing her main battery dispersion -- it's baseline value is already good enough and ASM1 isn't changing much.Agir's AP DPM is pretty darned respectable -- more-so if you consider she can make ready use of it more often than many other cruisers. 8.3. great. While the French battleship will do it through volume of fire, Siegfried will do it with a single well placed shot. You can make a secondary build on Agir work, but it's a pale shadow of the potential found on Siegfried.
I hate to break from PVE but tier 8 ranked is calling for the Lightning to strike. [CMFRT] I also hope that they add more than just tier 9s and 10s to the Research bureau. Right now I'm missing the Smaland but other than that full up. Their bad fire angles on their guns, especially when kiting, makes this dangerous to attempt -- doubly so with their 27mm extremities being the literal back door into their citadel. No really, I think the Kronstadt is a big target that turns like a school bus anymore...at least these two can brawl. For veterans, imagine German battleships that actually hit whatever you aimed at. [CMFRT]
Be careful.Alright, that's all of their similarities. Let's go over what makes them unique.I agree, girls. Let's start with the pretty mild differences of their option optimization. The way I rock it is I try and have every available tier 10 in port, regardless of if it is strong or not. This, in my opinion, makes her the easier and more powerful ship between the two when combined with everything else. If nothing else, Siegfried makes for some interesting gunnery.
Aim well and you can hit with everything. I've almost unlocked Seattle. Siegfried takes Gneisenau's offensive abilities and improves upon them to such a degree that it's hard to believe Siegfried made it out of testing without significant nerfs. They borrow a lot from battleships which are some of the easiest ships to play. Confirms my fear that Agir is a crap Siegfried because WG is still trying force the [edited] Research Bureau down our throats.
There's nothing here really to get excited over. As for firing angles, well... they're terrible, frankly. This is 180 AP shells fired at 15km, locked onto a stationary Fuso bot. Most AP shells have to contend with passing at least one auto-ricochet check to punch through her turtleback.The O-class's 90mm upper hull is a double-edged sword. I do wish that the price was a little less pricey. Furthermore, this makes both ships very poor choices for kiting.
I've been regrinding a few lines to get access to her. with the changes to Shikishima stats. Odin's 'good for a battleship' dispersion is alright, but it doesn't do the ship any favours given the rather wimpy punch of her shells. For beginners, Siegfried and Agir provide these training wheels along with very forgiving gunnery dispersion. Unlike Agir's guns, which improve upon pretty forgettable weapons, Siegfried's are an improvement on some rather novel guns. I've been regrinding a few lines to get access to her. Firepower wise, I'd rather have Alaska or Azuma. It's downright criminal (she says for effect) how neglected PVE is.^ This, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, She'll be by far the worst I'll go back to trying to resist Champagne despite knowing in my heart that it's a better, newer Gascogne but both ships put together are still worse than my Massachusetts in any meaningful way and therefore pretty much pointless. Definitely won’t be until at least 9.4. She has the same spread of shots as you'd find on Cleveland or Henri IV. So nothing too extreme there. You're only ever going to get to use them in brawls or ambushes so keep that in mind. For veterans, imagine German battleships that actually hit whatever you aimed at. The following is a review of both Agir & Siegfried, the tier IX German large cruisers. well if Shittyshima is released as is, use the coupon for Marceau. I have nothing but praise for Siegfried and I'm generally dismissive of Agir. At present, they have the BEST fish-protection found on any cruiser in the game. At range, every battleship becomes more dangerous. Experience epic naval action in World of Warships: Legends, a global multiplayer free-to-play online game where you can master the seas in history's greatest warships! If your opponents aren't playing ball, you're going to have a bad time.
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